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THE MARXIST NEW DEAL
RISES FROM THE ASHES...
Marxist Obama said, "I plan to make some broader remarks about the challenges that lay ahead for native Americans as well as collaboration for our administration."
As with many other New Deal issues resurrected by the Obama administration, the collaboration with native Americans and Marxist government is ominous.
Inspired by Communist-aiding A.C.L.U. one of the most pathetic struggles in the history of America was waged waged by a group of loyal American Indians without funds who did their utmost to prevent being communized by the red American Civil Liberties Union program put over under the title of the Wheeler-Howard Bill as a Roosevelt Administration measure, under Secretary of the Interior Ickes and his Red aides. Ickes' Department controlled Indian affairs.
Mrs. Alice Lee Jemison, Mr. Joseph Bruner, Mr. O. K. Chandler, and a few more cultured Christian Indian fellow-crusaders represent- ing the patriotic American Indian Federation, addressed a protest to Congress (4/26/36) in which this appears: "Under the direction of the American Civil Liberties Union group, Congress was hoodwinked in 1934 into enacting a law, the so-called Wheeler-Howard Act (Public No. 383, 73rd Congress, 2nd Session), which legalizes the establishment of Communism in the United States. Under the terms of this Act, `all other persons of one-half or more Indian blood', whether citizens of the United States or not, can be established in government `communes' on government land—all at the expense of the taxpayers of the United States. Through this loose or ADROIT wording of the Act, there is nothing to prevent the Secretary of the Interior from providing land for Indians of `one-half or more Indian blood' from Canada, Mexico or any of the South American countries...• "Under the terms of the so-called Thomas-Rogers Act (S.2047) • for the State of Oklahoma Indians (Osage County excepted) now before Congress, it was and still is proposed to further extend Communism - Marxist multiculturalism - into the United States. As few as ten Indians can be brought into a • government `commune' under the provisions of this bill, and they need not be adults nor residents of the United States...
"We hereby further and most emphatically condemn the said Act because of the fact that it originated in and was sponsored by the American Civil Liberties Union."
"We hereby condemn the program of the said Commissioner because it has enlarged the aims and authority of the Indian Bureau and has imposed upon American Taxpayers additional expense which is totally useless and is a direct detriment to the Indian people...
"We hereby condemn his program because of his introduction into Indian affairs of many FOREIGN ideas and especially a FOREIGN personnel ... for example, one foreigner, Estref Shevsky was persuaded to take out first citizenship papers that he might be given employment in the Indian Land program where he will have great influence, if not actual control of the expenditures of vast sums of money..."
The same Marxist ACLU defending Marxist ACORN at every turn also contrived the Wheeler-Howard Act to allow foreigners onto American Indian property! Repeal the Wheeler-Howard Act and everything related to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RISES FROM THE ASHES...
Marxist Obama said, "I plan to make some broader remarks about the challenges that lay ahead for native Americans as well as collaboration for our administration."
As with many other New Deal issues resurrected by the Obama administration, the collaboration with native Americans and Marxist government is ominous.
Inspired by Communist-aiding A.C.L.U. one of the most pathetic struggles in the history of America was waged waged by a group of loyal American Indians without funds who did their utmost to prevent being communized by the red American Civil Liberties Union program put over under the title of the Wheeler-Howard Bill as a Roosevelt Administration measure, under Secretary of the Interior Ickes and his Red aides. Ickes' Department controlled Indian affairs.
Mrs. Alice Lee Jemison, Mr. Joseph Bruner, Mr. O. K. Chandler, and a few more cultured Christian Indian fellow-crusaders represent- ing the patriotic American Indian Federation, addressed a protest to Congress (4/26/36) in which this appears: "Under the direction of the American Civil Liberties Union group, Congress was hoodwinked in 1934 into enacting a law, the so-called Wheeler-Howard Act (Public No. 383, 73rd Congress, 2nd Session), which legalizes the establishment of Communism in the United States. Under the terms of this Act, `all other persons of one-half or more Indian blood', whether citizens of the United States or not, can be established in government `communes' on government land—all at the expense of the taxpayers of the United States. Through this loose or ADROIT wording of the Act, there is nothing to prevent the Secretary of the Interior from providing land for Indians of `one-half or more Indian blood' from Canada, Mexico or any of the South American countries...• "Under the terms of the so-called Thomas-Rogers Act (S.2047) • for the State of Oklahoma Indians (Osage County excepted) now before Congress, it was and still is proposed to further extend Communism - Marxist multiculturalism - into the United States. As few as ten Indians can be brought into a • government `commune' under the provisions of this bill, and they need not be adults nor residents of the United States...
"We hereby further and most emphatically condemn the said Act because of the fact that it originated in and was sponsored by the American Civil Liberties Union."
"We hereby condemn the program of the said Commissioner because it has enlarged the aims and authority of the Indian Bureau and has imposed upon American Taxpayers additional expense which is totally useless and is a direct detriment to the Indian people...
"We hereby condemn his program because of his introduction into Indian affairs of many FOREIGN ideas and especially a FOREIGN personnel ... for example, one foreigner, Estref Shevsky was persuaded to take out first citizenship papers that he might be given employment in the Indian Land program where he will have great influence, if not actual control of the expenditures of vast sums of money..."
The same Marxist ACLU defending Marxist ACORN at every turn also contrived the Wheeler-Howard Act to allow foreigners onto American Indian property! Repeal the Wheeler-Howard Act and everything related to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by: Steve Volk on Fri, 11/6 04:14 PM EST
First, I would like to say I feel terrible about the killings by the Muslim Doctor of our own soldiers in Texas. On the news, it came out today that he was on medication, and possibly in a mental rehab about 6 months ago. He had hired a lawyer to quit the armed forces and had even offered to repay the armed forces for his training, if they would just let him go. The US authorities refused. According to his own ex-mother-in-law, he was not always stable. QUESTION: Did someone decide, since he was an unstable Muslim and in the armed forces, that maybe be could become useful. Since most US citizens want out of the Middle East,did someone surmise by manuevering a Muslim to kill US soldiers, this could invigorate US interest to continue battle against Alcaida, and the Taliban? When chaos occurs in our modern life, past experience shows, it is important to ponder if there is a hidden control behind the curtain. Also, remember that several months ago a NON-MUSLIM soldier shot up a US entry base.
IF IT QUACKS LIKE A DUCK...
If you put a US soldier's uniform on a duck... and it still walks like a duck, acts like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's still a what? That's right. A duck...
If you put a US soldier's uniform on a Muslim... and it still quacks "Allahu Akbar," then it's still a what? A Muslim.
So I have a ridiculously minor issue with Lolly. She mentioned, "an unstable Muslim and in the armed forces." Actually, it's a stable Muslim who lives and breathes Jihad, whether or not in the US armed forces.
A politically-correct environmentalist protects ducks, with the same perverted fervor the politically-correct administration protects Muslim Jihadists in the US military. Gun control will soon cause us to be overrun by Muslims and ducks; while a thousand quacks will still be preferable to one "Allahu Akbar."
Clearly, when this stops being a Christian Republic and becomes an "anything goes" Republic, our freedoms fly away like ducks before a sunset....
If you put a US soldier's uniform on a duck... and it still walks like a duck, acts like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's still a what? That's right. A duck...
If you put a US soldier's uniform on a Muslim... and it still quacks "Allahu Akbar," then it's still a what? A Muslim.
So I have a ridiculously minor issue with Lolly. She mentioned, "an unstable Muslim and in the armed forces." Actually, it's a stable Muslim who lives and breathes Jihad, whether or not in the US armed forces.
A politically-correct environmentalist protects ducks, with the same perverted fervor the politically-correct administration protects Muslim Jihadists in the US military. Gun control will soon cause us to be overrun by Muslims and ducks; while a thousand quacks will still be preferable to one "Allahu Akbar."
Clearly, when this stops being a Christian Republic and becomes an "anything goes" Republic, our freedoms fly away like ducks before a sunset....
posted by: Steve Volk on Sat, 11/7 04:45 PM EST
THIS REPUBLIC IS FOR ALL P_E_O_P_L_E!!!!
Including, and NOT only, Muslims, atheists,
Buddhists, Shinto, etc...OH!!! I almost forgot… and Christians!!! (As the religious zealots like to call themselves....even though they are NOT Christian). And, WE THE PEOPLE almost forgot to INCLUDE STEVE VOLK....the almighty lunatic zealot!!!
And, even, Steve Volk.
Including, and NOT only, Muslims, atheists,
Buddhists, Shinto, etc...OH!!! I almost forgot… and Christians!!! (As the religious zealots like to call themselves....even though they are NOT Christian). And, WE THE PEOPLE almost forgot to INCLUDE STEVE VOLK....the almighty lunatic zealot!!!
And, even, Steve Volk.
IF THIS PRESIDENT IS/WAS A MARXIST
...then...
Obama would have by NOW nationalized the banks, utilities, transportation AND ESPECIALLY HEALTHCARE..... Has HE done this??? NO!!!
And, he has not even attempted to do so.
Therefore, MR STEVE VOLK get your "description" CORRECTED!!!
You enjoy using inflamatory words SO, WE THE PEOPLE, can B_A_S_H YOU!!!
...then...
Obama would have by NOW nationalized the banks, utilities, transportation AND ESPECIALLY HEALTHCARE..... Has HE done this??? NO!!!
And, he has not even attempted to do so.
Therefore, MR STEVE VOLK get your "description" CORRECTED!!!
You enjoy using inflamatory words SO, WE THE PEOPLE, can B_A_S_H YOU!!!
THE FOLLOWING IS AN EXACT QUOTE
FROM "THE LAST WORLD WAR" BY
THE GREAT IOWAN EMMETT CULLIGAN
FOUNDER OF THE INTERNATIONAL CULLIGAN WATER
SYSTEMS:
"The United States of America has always been a Christian country, which was founded by Christian men, who wrote down their Christian principles in a Declaration of Independence in a protest against the anti-Christian rulers of the old world. These Christian men set about to build a Christian nation. One of their first acts was to make religious medals of our coins by engraving thereon an Act of Faith: 'In God We Trust.' On this Christian foundation there was built the greatest nation the world has ever seen.
"American culture has always been traditionally Christian. American government and Democracy are based on cognizance of God. In recent years, however, the very foundations of our great nation have been threatened by those who would dethrone God; by those who would destroy the very concept of God in the minds of our people. The destruction of belief in God, and the destruction of traditional American Christian culture, meant the destruction of America as a great nation - great, and noble, and free.
"After 1932, attempts were made to modify, or to drop, many of the principles outlined in our national Constitution; the Supreme Court of the United States was 'packed'; bureaucratic government was set up; and the breaking down of our great Republican Democracy was under way."
[Emmett J. Culligan, THE LAST WORLD WAR, Crestline Book Company, 1954, p. 1]
Today's Marxist New Deal is a continuation of the first Marxist New Deal of the 1930's. What the great American and great Iowan Emmett Culligan has just said here speaks for the tens of millions of the TRUE We The People. Liberals like pccc48, cloaking themselves as We The People like a wolf in sheep's clothing, is still a secularized liberal and in no way by the above definition can mislead one to believe he is one of the venerated and true WE THE PEOPLE. If it quacks like a liberal, it must be an ACLU, ACORN supporting liberal.
FROM "THE LAST WORLD WAR" BY
THE GREAT IOWAN EMMETT CULLIGAN
FOUNDER OF THE INTERNATIONAL CULLIGAN WATER
SYSTEMS:
"The United States of America has always been a Christian country, which was founded by Christian men, who wrote down their Christian principles in a Declaration of Independence in a protest against the anti-Christian rulers of the old world. These Christian men set about to build a Christian nation. One of their first acts was to make religious medals of our coins by engraving thereon an Act of Faith: 'In God We Trust.' On this Christian foundation there was built the greatest nation the world has ever seen.
"American culture has always been traditionally Christian. American government and Democracy are based on cognizance of God. In recent years, however, the very foundations of our great nation have been threatened by those who would dethrone God; by those who would destroy the very concept of God in the minds of our people. The destruction of belief in God, and the destruction of traditional American Christian culture, meant the destruction of America as a great nation - great, and noble, and free.
"After 1932, attempts were made to modify, or to drop, many of the principles outlined in our national Constitution; the Supreme Court of the United States was 'packed'; bureaucratic government was set up; and the breaking down of our great Republican Democracy was under way."
[Emmett J. Culligan, THE LAST WORLD WAR, Crestline Book Company, 1954, p. 1]
Today's Marxist New Deal is a continuation of the first Marxist New Deal of the 1930's. What the great American and great Iowan Emmett Culligan has just said here speaks for the tens of millions of the TRUE We The People. Liberals like pccc48, cloaking themselves as We The People like a wolf in sheep's clothing, is still a secularized liberal and in no way by the above definition can mislead one to believe he is one of the venerated and true WE THE PEOPLE. If it quacks like a liberal, it must be an ACLU, ACORN supporting liberal.
posted by: Steve Volk on Sun, 11/8 04:38 PM EST
MISC. REPLIES...
Bartz wrote: Lolly said "remember that several months ago a NON-MUSLIM soldier shot up a US entry base." Therefore what? Both had the same motive? Reply: Of course not. Behavioral psychology 101 demonstrates the content of a behavior can be quite different and varied for the same overt behavior. So you have a Muslim and a non-Muslim shooting up US bases for different reasons. (If a religious Muslim shoots you in Afghanistan for target practice, and a non-religious shoots you in a New York subway for stepping on their foot, the two deaths result from different motives. Buth both are crimes. Why can't you see this?)
The non-Muslim shooting up a US base in no way vindicates the Muslim who shot it up.
Pccc48 wrote: "IF THIS PRESIDENT IS/WAS A MARXIST ...then... Obama would have by NOW nationalized the banks, utilities, transportation AND ESPECIALLY HEALTHCARE..... Has HE done this???"
Reply: Obama by his own redundant admission is continuing the New Deal. Here is a direct quote from the weekly Social Justice, July 19, 1937, page 1: "Much to the surprise of the American public, President Roosevelt is now feverishly formulating plans for the government to take over the ownership, and indirectly the operation, of all banks in the United States." Obama has not yet done this because the manufactured economic woes are not quite deep enough, BUT YES OBAMA WILL DO THIS IN HIS NEW DEAL AGENDA unless the true We The People checks this Marxist internationalist manipulation....
Bartz wrote: Lolly said "remember that several months ago a NON-MUSLIM soldier shot up a US entry base." Therefore what? Both had the same motive? Reply: Of course not. Behavioral psychology 101 demonstrates the content of a behavior can be quite different and varied for the same overt behavior. So you have a Muslim and a non-Muslim shooting up US bases for different reasons. (If a religious Muslim shoots you in Afghanistan for target practice, and a non-religious shoots you in a New York subway for stepping on their foot, the two deaths result from different motives. Buth both are crimes. Why can't you see this?)
The non-Muslim shooting up a US base in no way vindicates the Muslim who shot it up.
Pccc48 wrote: "IF THIS PRESIDENT IS/WAS A MARXIST ...then... Obama would have by NOW nationalized the banks, utilities, transportation AND ESPECIALLY HEALTHCARE..... Has HE done this???"
Reply: Obama by his own redundant admission is continuing the New Deal. Here is a direct quote from the weekly Social Justice, July 19, 1937, page 1: "Much to the surprise of the American public, President Roosevelt is now feverishly formulating plans for the government to take over the ownership, and indirectly the operation, of all banks in the United States." Obama has not yet done this because the manufactured economic woes are not quite deep enough, BUT YES OBAMA WILL DO THIS IN HIS NEW DEAL AGENDA unless the true We The People checks this Marxist internationalist manipulation....
posted by: Steve Volk on Sun, 11/8 05:25 PM EST
The Arabic words, "Allah ak-bar" mean "God is great". Well, pardon me, but as a Christian, I believe , God IS Great! It sure would be nice if more people in the United States thought God is great and said so. You can read entire books, the local newspaper and listen to the television and not hear nary a good word about God. People that believed in God in the past were so much for God that words contained mention of God. Examples: Europa (Europe of God), Russia (Russ of God), Espania(Spain of God), Italia(Italy of God) etc. The article "the" of many languages meant God. Examples: English "the" comes from "Theo" which means God in Greek. Spanish "the" is "el" and is known to mean "God". Another Spanish, French, and Italian "the" is "la" and comes from Lah in "Allah" which is Arabic for God/god. In German we have der, de and das for God which is akin to deo or deos which means God. The problem was not what the Muslim said, but what he did. He took God's name in vain and he killed and maimed. If we would stop going to wars in the Middle East, we would have less Muslim refugees coming into the USA. The fear-mongering is what causes us to go to war in the Middle East. The only one we need to fear is God, not the Muslims. The Muslims are not going to take over the USA unless God allows it. If the US citizens act righteously and are just, God will not allow the Muslims or communists to take over. But if the US citizens do not act righteously collectively, then God/Providence will place people that are known to be strict religiously over us, as He did over old Israel when he had the Babylonians conquered them. Better it is, if the citizens go and visit the US mosques individually and sit down with them and have a sweet cup of tea there, and communicate with them. Then if they are up to something, you'll know. I am a woman, but I did it. I prayed for courage and safety, and then I took my shoes off at their Franklin Islamic Center door as the sign directed, and I walked in. They do like to talk with friendly people. They have a kitchen room in front where one can sit and talk and they usually offer one a cup of sweet tea. Yes, I drank it and I am still alive! It was good. Eventually, I took some Arabic classes there. They have a wash room where they wash their hands , head and feet symbollically before prayer. Then there is a big prayer room. They pray there 5 times a day. They have "Sunday school" classes on Sundays including the Arabic classes. The liberal Christians have already been visiting the Muslim mosques. No they did not convert! Even the Jews visit there once a week!!! So where have you been? There is a saying about keeping your enemy close. That is so you know what they are up to. So America, stop being scared!! Don't be milky toast!
Brief Response to Pccc48
Pccc48 wrote: "IF THIS PRESIDENT IS/WAS A MARXIST ...then...Obama would have by NOW nationalized the banks, utilities, transportation AND ESPECIALLY HEALTHCARE..... Has HE done this???"
Reply: Obama by his own redundant admission is continuing the New Deal. Here is a direct quote from the weekly Social Justice, July 19, 1937, page 1: "Much to the surprise of the American public, President Roosevelt is now feverishly formulating plans for the government to take over the ownership, and indirectly the operation, of all banks in the United States." Obama has not yet done this because the manufactured economic woes are not quite deep enough, BUT YES OBAMA WILL DO THIS IN HIS NEW DEAL AGENDA unless the true We The People checks this Marxist internationalist manipulation....
Pccc48 wrote: "IF THIS PRESIDENT IS/WAS A MARXIST ...then...Obama would have by NOW nationalized the banks, utilities, transportation AND ESPECIALLY HEALTHCARE..... Has HE done this???"
Reply: Obama by his own redundant admission is continuing the New Deal. Here is a direct quote from the weekly Social Justice, July 19, 1937, page 1: "Much to the surprise of the American public, President Roosevelt is now feverishly formulating plans for the government to take over the ownership, and indirectly the operation, of all banks in the United States." Obama has not yet done this because the manufactured economic woes are not quite deep enough, BUT YES OBAMA WILL DO THIS IN HIS NEW DEAL AGENDA unless the true We The People checks this Marxist internationalist manipulation....
posted by: Steve Volk on Mon, 11/9 10:18 AM EST
HOW CLOSE?
Hey Lolly, how close should we keep the enemy? Rome fell when its borders fell.
God is Great. God is Awesome. But the Muslim "god" is not God. "Allah" never was a Scriptural name for God who does have many real and true names. Satan always wanted to be worshiped as God. A Sura in the Koran says, "Far be it from him he should have a son." That is blasphemy and false religion. Another place in the Koran says at the last moment Jesus did not die on the Cross but that Judas was substituted in His place. It contradicts the very Heart of the Gospel, as Christ was the prophesied Passover Lamb who died for your sins and rose from the dead.
Lolly wrote, "Then if they are up to something, you'll know." Don't bet on it. You're searching earnestly but in vain for a middle ground with liberalism and Islam. It doesn't exist, no matter how hard wants to believe there is.
I was walking around the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem, one day, just outside David's citadel. There was an archeologist busy, just down the hill, and I asked him what he was up to. He said he was standing on the spot where he just determined Jerusalem was buried 27 times. As you look into the Bible, God always judged Israel for its syncretism (a mixture of religious truth and religious error) and not once let them humanistically "work things out." Especially you, Lolly, I would think would take such history seriously....
Hey Lolly, how close should we keep the enemy? Rome fell when its borders fell.
God is Great. God is Awesome. But the Muslim "god" is not God. "Allah" never was a Scriptural name for God who does have many real and true names. Satan always wanted to be worshiped as God. A Sura in the Koran says, "Far be it from him he should have a son." That is blasphemy and false religion. Another place in the Koran says at the last moment Jesus did not die on the Cross but that Judas was substituted in His place. It contradicts the very Heart of the Gospel, as Christ was the prophesied Passover Lamb who died for your sins and rose from the dead.
Lolly wrote, "Then if they are up to something, you'll know." Don't bet on it. You're searching earnestly but in vain for a middle ground with liberalism and Islam. It doesn't exist, no matter how hard wants to believe there is.
I was walking around the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem, one day, just outside David's citadel. There was an archeologist busy, just down the hill, and I asked him what he was up to. He said he was standing on the spot where he just determined Jerusalem was buried 27 times. As you look into the Bible, God always judged Israel for its syncretism (a mixture of religious truth and religious error) and not once let them humanistically "work things out." Especially you, Lolly, I would think would take such history seriously....
posted by: Steve Volk on Mon, 11/9 07:34 PM EST
Allah is a Old Testament name for God. Elohim without the "im" at the end is the same word. The first Hebrew letter is "N" which is A originally NOT "E"!!!!! Plus you can find Hagar an Egytian using the word "God" at Genesis 16:14. The words there are Arabic words and mean, the well of God who sees me. Obviously Abraham would not allow an unbeliever in his home. Hagar believed in God. God sent His angel to her ("the Angel of the Lord"). (Genesis 16:7) Plus Abraham would not have hooked up with Hagar if she did not believe in the Lord!!!! The angel told Hagar to return to Sarah her mistress and to submit herself to her, and promised that her seed would be multiplied EXCEEDINGLY, AND THAT IT SHALL NOT BE NUMBERED FOR MULTITUDE!!!!!! (Genesis 16:10) Today there are only about 20 million Jews of Judaism but there are as many Muslims in the world as there are Christians. And there certainly are way more Arabs in the world then there are Jews of Judaism. The Jews are NOT in number as the stars, but the Christians and the Muslims are in number as the stars!!!!!!!! Plus Ishmael was also born in the land of Canaan which today is called Israel, and the Arabs decend from Ishmael, who was also a Hebrew because his father was ABRAHAM!!!!!!! Plus Ishmael was CIRCUMCISED and was also part of the covenant!!!!!! (Genesis 17) You won't read that in most lying books of today, but you can read it in the Bible!!!!! I am a Christian.
The Jews of Judaism do not believe that Jesus is the son of God, but that is no problem for millions of Christians! The Muslims do not believe that Mary hooked up with God in a fleshly way and they are right! Jesus was already the son of God before he entered the womb of Mary. This is a cultural misunderstanding between Christians and Muslims.
DEFINING IN CONTEXT
Lolly wrote, "Allah is a Old Testament name for God. Elohim without the 'im' at the end is the same word. Plus Ishmael was CIRCUMCISED and was also part of the covenant."
Just as Elohim is widely used out of context today in Israel and North America - by the Raelians whose cult symbol is a stylized swastika in the Star of David, who gave me their literature in downtown Jerusalem, of all places -so Allah is taken out of context. I did a search on "Allah" at Biblegateway.com - which searches one hundred Bible translations - and Allah does not come up once. Not even in the Arabic Life Application Bible!
Do Christians and Muslims believe the same thing? Is the Christian God just another name for Allah? If Christians hope to productively talk to Muslims about the similarities and differences between their two faiths, it’s obviously important that Christians have a solid understanding of what Muslims believe. Arab World Ministries has put together a helpful overview of fundamental Islamic beliefs about God, Muhammed, Jesus, and other topics. Don’t be caught off guard the next time somebody suggests that Christianity and Islam are just two branches of the same religion–read through this short essay, and you’ll see how the two religions differ in important ways. Go here:
http://www.gospel.com/blog/index.php/2007/08/29/do-christians-and-muslims-worship-the-same-god/
Tragically, Lolly, you're gravitating to Interfaith definitions. One major Interfaith conference I filmed, where thousands blasphemously sang in unison, "Allah, Vishnu, Jesus, Krishna, these are names for our one God."
This was a blasphemous, syncretistic chorus, sung over and over by liberal Christians, world religions and New Age cults, led by the deeply occultic Sai Baba Society. Over the years, Sai Baba has been a demon-possessed leader (you cannot see his eyeballs) who world politicians consulted. Lolly, you talk about "sheeple." But when will you wake up to the fact the spiritual world is more real than the professed material world of atheist Marxism? Naturalist Marxist internationalism (which as US communist leader Earl Browder thinks all religions ridiculous, but infiltrates for their internationalist purposes) and counterfeit supernaturalism (remember Pharoah's court magician snakes versus Moses' snake)versus the true supernatural authority of the King of the Jews who sits at the right hand of God and who died for you....
Jesus was the King of the Jews. Supernaturally, He is still appearing in person to Jews and Muslim around the world, people who were thoroughly converted only by these supernatural appearances. I know several, all professional people, and they are quite sane, even more sane, for converting to the true reality of Christ!
Again, the Muslims do not believe God has a son. This is in their "holy book" the Koran. And they believe Judas was substituted for Christ on the cross, which contradicts the Gospel. True Christians cannot possibly agree with these major contradictions aimed at the Christian faith. To agree is to be seriously, very seriously, syncretistic, and to flippantly subscribe to the prophesied "world church," soon meeting to unite in Australia.
Lolly wrote, "Allah is a Old Testament name for God. Elohim without the 'im' at the end is the same word. Plus Ishmael was CIRCUMCISED and was also part of the covenant."
Just as Elohim is widely used out of context today in Israel and North America - by the Raelians whose cult symbol is a stylized swastika in the Star of David, who gave me their literature in downtown Jerusalem, of all places -so Allah is taken out of context. I did a search on "Allah" at Biblegateway.com - which searches one hundred Bible translations - and Allah does not come up once. Not even in the Arabic Life Application Bible!
Do Christians and Muslims believe the same thing? Is the Christian God just another name for Allah? If Christians hope to productively talk to Muslims about the similarities and differences between their two faiths, it’s obviously important that Christians have a solid understanding of what Muslims believe. Arab World Ministries has put together a helpful overview of fundamental Islamic beliefs about God, Muhammed, Jesus, and other topics. Don’t be caught off guard the next time somebody suggests that Christianity and Islam are just two branches of the same religion–read through this short essay, and you’ll see how the two religions differ in important ways. Go here:
http://www.gospel.com/blog/index.php/2007/08/29/do-christians-and-muslims-worship-the-same-god/
Tragically, Lolly, you're gravitating to Interfaith definitions. One major Interfaith conference I filmed, where thousands blasphemously sang in unison, "Allah, Vishnu, Jesus, Krishna, these are names for our one God."
This was a blasphemous, syncretistic chorus, sung over and over by liberal Christians, world religions and New Age cults, led by the deeply occultic Sai Baba Society. Over the years, Sai Baba has been a demon-possessed leader (you cannot see his eyeballs) who world politicians consulted. Lolly, you talk about "sheeple." But when will you wake up to the fact the spiritual world is more real than the professed material world of atheist Marxism? Naturalist Marxist internationalism (which as US communist leader Earl Browder thinks all religions ridiculous, but infiltrates for their internationalist purposes) and counterfeit supernaturalism (remember Pharoah's court magician snakes versus Moses' snake)versus the true supernatural authority of the King of the Jews who sits at the right hand of God and who died for you....
Jesus was the King of the Jews. Supernaturally, He is still appearing in person to Jews and Muslim around the world, people who were thoroughly converted only by these supernatural appearances. I know several, all professional people, and they are quite sane, even more sane, for converting to the true reality of Christ!
Again, the Muslims do not believe God has a son. This is in their "holy book" the Koran. And they believe Judas was substituted for Christ on the cross, which contradicts the Gospel. True Christians cannot possibly agree with these major contradictions aimed at the Christian faith. To agree is to be seriously, very seriously, syncretistic, and to flippantly subscribe to the prophesied "world church," soon meeting to unite in Australia.
posted by: Steve Volk on Tue, 11/10 07:57 AM EST
AGUR'S QUESTION
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in His fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is His name, and what is His Son’s name, if thou canst tell? (Proverbs 30:4).
The naming of an only begotten son is always an important event in the life of a family. In this intriguing set of questions, however, the prophet Agur (Proverbs 30:1) was particularly concerned to know the name of the Son of the very Creator of the universe, the one who had made the waters and the winds and all the ends of the earth.
In David’s second psalm, there had been a profound reference to this divine Son. "The LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; . . . and I shall give thee the heathen [i.e. 'the nations'] for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession" (Psalm 2:7,8).
Agur likely also had heard, from either David or Solomon, about God’s promise concerning David’s future seed: "He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of His kingdom for ever. I will be His Father, and He shall be my Son" (II Samuel 7:13,14; also I Chronicles 17:13). This enigmatic prophecy seemed in part to apply to Solomon, but its eternal dimensions clearly marked it as going far beyond Solomon to an even greater Son of David who would somehow also be the Son of God. In fact, from the vantage point of the New Testament (Hebrews 1:5), we now know that the statement, "He shall be to me a Son," applied specifically not to David’s son, Solomon, but to this very Son of God.
It is not surprising, therefore, that Agur would raise the question: "What is His Son’s name?" He also asked the name of the Creator, although he surely was very familiar with the several names applied to God in the writings of Moses—especially "God" (Elohim), "LORD" (Jehovah), and "Lord" (Adonai). But as Father to a Son, God must have another name as well. "What is His name?" he asked.
Lolly wrote, "The Jews of Judaism do not believe that Jesus is the son of God." They have not studied the Old Testament prophet Agur. But many Jews do believe Jesus (Yeshua) is the Son of God. For example, 285 formerly orthodox rabbis meet every Tuesday in rural Israel to fellowship and who are now believers. And you have the Messianic Jews. When Christ died, remember, the temple curtain was torn from the top down; and now believers became the temple of the Holy Spirit in the Mystical Body of Christ. "The Last Supper" of Christ was the last supper of the Old Covenant.
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in His fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is His name, and what is His Son’s name, if thou canst tell? (Proverbs 30:4).
The naming of an only begotten son is always an important event in the life of a family. In this intriguing set of questions, however, the prophet Agur (Proverbs 30:1) was particularly concerned to know the name of the Son of the very Creator of the universe, the one who had made the waters and the winds and all the ends of the earth.
In David’s second psalm, there had been a profound reference to this divine Son. "The LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; . . . and I shall give thee the heathen [i.e. 'the nations'] for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession" (Psalm 2:7,8).
Agur likely also had heard, from either David or Solomon, about God’s promise concerning David’s future seed: "He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of His kingdom for ever. I will be His Father, and He shall be my Son" (II Samuel 7:13,14; also I Chronicles 17:13). This enigmatic prophecy seemed in part to apply to Solomon, but its eternal dimensions clearly marked it as going far beyond Solomon to an even greater Son of David who would somehow also be the Son of God. In fact, from the vantage point of the New Testament (Hebrews 1:5), we now know that the statement, "He shall be to me a Son," applied specifically not to David’s son, Solomon, but to this very Son of God.
It is not surprising, therefore, that Agur would raise the question: "What is His Son’s name?" He also asked the name of the Creator, although he surely was very familiar with the several names applied to God in the writings of Moses—especially "God" (Elohim), "LORD" (Jehovah), and "Lord" (Adonai). But as Father to a Son, God must have another name as well. "What is His name?" he asked.
Lolly wrote, "The Jews of Judaism do not believe that Jesus is the son of God." They have not studied the Old Testament prophet Agur. But many Jews do believe Jesus (Yeshua) is the Son of God. For example, 285 formerly orthodox rabbis meet every Tuesday in rural Israel to fellowship and who are now believers. And you have the Messianic Jews. When Christ died, remember, the temple curtain was torn from the top down; and now believers became the temple of the Holy Spirit in the Mystical Body of Christ. "The Last Supper" of Christ was the last supper of the Old Covenant.
posted by: Steve Volk on Tue, 11/10 11:27 AM EST
My goal is to make sure, whether Islam is critisized or defended, that it is done in truth. When I was in college, I stood for an hour and browsed a Koran in the college bookstore. I saw in there that it mentioned Mary and Jesus. So I knew the Muslims believed in Jesus and Mary in some form. When the Gulf War started, I started hearing false stories about the Muslim religion. So I started researching what exactly the Muslims believed. I eventually bought myself a Koran so I could see what that said. I heard Christians around me mocking the Muslims and saying many things that were untrue. I especially would hear Jewish writers spewing terrible lies about the Muslims. This can be understood when you realize that the Muslims and the State of Israel are in constant conflicts. But as a Christian I am obligated by God, to try to put the truth out there. I have Christian books that say that Arafat was going to be the false prophet and 100 proofs, but alas he is dead. I have a "Christian" book that shows Saddam was going to be The Antichrist, but he is dead too. I am not for merging the world's religions. According to the Bible, Islam and Christianity are not supposed to merge. The Arabs have spread to many parts of the world but according to Genesis, they are meant to live closely with their brethren in the Middle East. (Genesis 21:10-14) Sarah announced her desire that her son Isaac, and Hagar's son Ishmael, the father of the Arabs, not inherit the same land, and God agreed. Genesis 21:12, talks about how, in Isaac shall thy seed be called. The seed spoken of here is Jesus Christ.(Gal 3:16) Jesus would come from the line of Isaac. The next line verse 13 says that of Ishmael, God will make a nation, (the Arab nation) and this because Ishmael is also the seed of Abraham. If you go back then with the word "seed", you find that Ishmael's ancestors will also have to accept the seed Jesus to become called(saved in this case, "come" Rev 22:17) So the Arabs were a lost people in the year 700 AD. They were worshipping stone and wood idols. It had been grievous to Abraham that his son Ishmael had to be sent away (Genesis 21:11) But God had consoled him with the promise that his ancestors would be saved by belief in Jesus. So I believe that God did finally fulfill his promise to Abraham about Ishmael, and He sent Muhammed as his representative to the Arabs to bring them back to the fold. Now the Arabs were very stubborn back then and would not accet the Bible or Christianity. But God can solve all problems. One day I went to the library to get a book on the life of Muhammed and was surprised to see that the book did not have all those terrible things they say about him in the Christian bookstore books written by non-Christians. I had also seen the movie , The Message, which is about the life of Muhammed. Because he was a good man , an older woman married him. He used to pray a lot and asked for God's guidance. It is supposed to be that the angel Gabriel, the same one that appeared to Mary, appeared to him. Muhammed was not memorizing well so the angel got a little rough with him. After that Muhammed memorized good. This is not unlike the adventures of Jacob with an angel. So Muhammed started teaching what he learned and encouraged the people to get rid of their dumb idols and worship the invisible God. Some of his followers got martyred. The rulers of Mecca tried to kill Muhammed but failed. Muhammed fled Mecca with his followers. One time he was hiding in a cave and God had a spider weave in front of the entrance and Muhammed was spared. He went to Medina and eventually all the people there converted. Finally,the city of Mecca said Muhammed and his followers could return to Mecca, and Mecca converted and threw out all their stone and wood idols. Eventually all of what is known today as Arabia converted. Muhammed with the help of God and his direction, brought all the warring tribes together so they were at peace.At first when attacked, he had his followers not fight back. Then later he had battles with his opposition where only certain picked men from both sides would fight. He did not start the battles, they came after him. The merchants did not like him cause idol statues brought in big money! He married some women to help knit the tribes together as the kings and queens of Europe have even done. Back in those days some women were married young. Even the Jewish Talmud says it is OK for a man to marry a girl of eight years old! So that is how the Arabs came to believe in Jesus as the Messiah. And also that is how the prophecy in Isaiah 19 was fulfilled about Egypt which is Ishmael (The calling of Egypt to the Church/ congregation/ Lord) Muhammed was a "representative" of the Lord. Also, Jesus himself said if I have 100 sheep and one is lost, I will leave the 99 and go find the lost one. The Arabs were lost and were idolators. So I believe Jesus and God sent Muhammed to bring back the lost and to keep his promise to Abraham. I know many Christians will say the Moslems are still lost. Before you try to take out a splinter out of someone else's eye , you should take the log out of your eye. Rev 21:14 says, "Blessed are they who do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life....." Muslims are against homosexuality, abortion etc. I am a Christian.
Re: Muslims and Jesus, the son of God. I have talked to several Muslims who more readily accept Jesus was the son of God BEFORE he was born to Mary. Christians need to ask themselves, what do they mean when they say Jesus is the son of God. Do they mean God had sex with Mary? Do they mean the angel of the Lord had sex with Mary? What do they mean? To the Muslims this is abhorant to suggest that the incorruptible God would be doing such fleshly type things. That is where the cultural difference lies. And that is what the Koran is saying. A human son is produced when a male and female mate. The Muslim Sunni authorities do agree that Jesus and even man can be spiritual sons of God. Most Christians have never pondered what they specifically mean when they say Jesus is the Son of God. Your Scripture Proverbs 30:4, Steve, is very good to prove, Jesus was already the son of God before he was born to Mary. The Koran calls Jesus, the son of Mary, to emphasize that God did not have sex with Mary, and God was not her husband. According to the Bible, believers are or will become spiritual sons of God too!
Steve, I looked up Bible Gateway and I simply punched in "Lah" and got 5 entries. The first 3 at Genesis 16:14, Genesis 24:62 and Genesis 25:11. In modern Arabic, they add the article "the" to the beginning of a lot of noun words. "Al-lah" is "the God". "Lah" is the God part of the word "Allah". The Arabic grammar rule is : It is called solar and lunar letters. The definite article "al", written together with a noun, is not always pronounced "al". Before t, th, d, dh, r, z,s, sh,s,d,t,z,l,n(the 14 solar letters) the l is assimilated to the first letter of the noun which, as a result, appears doubled. Al-shams is prounounced ash-shams, al-nur becomes an-nur, al-rahim ar-rahim, etc All other letters are so called luner letters and do not effect the article, al-bahr, al-manzil, al-qumar(the moon). Lah is the same as Jah or Yah. Look up Jah in the Bible and you should get an entry in Psalms. "Jah" is short for Jehovah or YHWH. In Arabic, I am guessing, YHWH is LHWH. There is no question that Genesis 16:14 has an Arabic phrase. "Beer" in "Beer-lah-ai-ro-i" still means water in Arabic. In this passage it means well.Beer-lah-a-i-ro-i means "Well of GOD who sees me". Strangely an "L" in Arabic looks like a "J" or a "y"!!!!
WORK ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED...
Lolly, the scholarship you're seeking on your own - and there's nothing wrong with that - but the documented scholarship has been done a long time ago, both by Christian scholars and Arabs who became Christians and took their ministries to the Muslims. For example, 100 Huntley Street's David Mainse's son-in-law, Lazar, is a Christian Arab who has done many videos on this.
Too, as mentioned above, one good place to start among many is: http://www.gospel.com/blog/index.php/2007/08/29/do-christians-and-muslims-worship-the-same-god/
Have a great day!
Lolly, the scholarship you're seeking on your own - and there's nothing wrong with that - but the documented scholarship has been done a long time ago, both by Christian scholars and Arabs who became Christians and took their ministries to the Muslims. For example, 100 Huntley Street's David Mainse's son-in-law, Lazar, is a Christian Arab who has done many videos on this.
Too, as mentioned above, one good place to start among many is: http://www.gospel.com/blog/index.php/2007/08/29/do-christians-and-muslims-worship-the-same-god/
Have a great day!
posted by: Steve Volk on Wed, 11/11 11:15 AM EST
Steve, I found a very good witnessing tool in some booklets I got from a Christian source, Called, "JESUS, The Light and Fragrance of God". It is by M. Anderson. In these 5 booklets, he quotes the Koran and Muslim sources to explain Jesus. Part 1 is The reappearing of Jesus, Part 2, The Christ of history; Part 3, The Nature of Jesus the Christ; Part 4, Strike the Truth in the Cross; I misplaced part 5. The address in it is P O Box 443, Bartlesville, OK, 74005. Another good reference is the book, "JESUS, In the Koran", by Geoffrey Parrinder. One chapter in there is "Son of God" and this book tells how the Koran refers to Jesus also, as the "Word". In the Koran when God is speaking, it is "We" will do this and "We" will do that. Unfortunately when "Non-Islamic experts" explain the Koran and the Muslims, they usually only mention negative things. They never tell you that the Bible says that Ishmael had 12 sons and they each lived in their own castle!!!!! And that each son was a PRINCE!!!!!! (Genesis 26:16)(Gen 17:20) These non-Islamic historians never tell you how Hagar was a princess, the daughter of the Pharoah of Egypt!!!! Sarah's name means princess also!! They love to tell you how Ishmael would be a wild man, but never mention that the Christians are the WILD olive tree!!!(NT) They never mention the possibility that the Scripture also means that "every mans hand"(United Nations) would come against the Muslims/Arabs under the UN, and the Muslim's(Arab's) "hand" would be against every man (the UN or New World Order). That the world would be TAMED by the New World Order, but the WILD Muslims (Arab's) would not go down that easily.
LOLLY, WHAT DOES IT TAKE
TO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND? (Smile)
Here is a documented excerpt from a lecture I gave at a national conference:
One day, I was talking with the President of an oil company who told me this true story: There was a young Islamic couple he knew in Florida and the husband grew quite sick. He went to a hospital in Florida and while there the Lord touched him and healed him. With severe joy, he and his wife converted to Christianity. They soon had a baby and gave him a very Christian
name. They were then called to move to Israel and moved to the Gaza strip.
One day, while walking down a street in Gaza, they met an Islamic religious leader. He stopped them and asked them the following questions: "Is this your baby?" "Yes," replied the happy parents, looking down at their little one. "And where was he born?" "In the United States," they replied. "In Florida." "And what is his name?" he asked, staring down at the little one. The head Islamic religious leader picked up the baby, dashed him down onto the street as hard as he could, immediately crushing
the baby's skull and killing the baby. In the Islamic community, there is no place for a baby, born in the West with a Christian name, with Christian parents.
The Washington Times quoted Louis Farrakhan who proclaimed, "You can quote me: God will destroy America at the hands of the Muslims." Farrakhan praises Iran as a model of democracy and declares, "Iran is now in the vanguard of the Islamic revolution sweeping the earth." Farrakhan confirmed that he accepted a $1 billion dollar pledge from the Libyan dictator Muamma Kadhafi for Nation of Islam activities in the United States. Since 1969, Kadhafi has channeled an estimated $100 million dollars EVERY
YEAR to extremist and terrorist groups, including the American-based Nation of Islam, the militant American Indian Movement, and
the white supremacist Nationalist Party of Canada.
Yossef Bodansky, Director of the Republican Task Force on Terrorism & Unconventional Warfare of the U.S. Congress, reveals, "Not a single irregular armed movement can survive, let alone
operate, but for supporting states. The crucial significance of expertise and funds that only states can provide ultimately transforms any terrorist movement, irrespective of its original
ideological characterization, into a state-controlled entity." Without the technical and professional expertise provided by the controlling Islamic states, these scattered bands of would-be terrorists could not express their rage in the heart of the world's most advanced countries.
Importantly, as if the Islamic terrorist threat in itself weren't enough in the United States and Canada, Islam and the Nazis have now united! Yes, as with Hitler's Nazi and Arab ties in World War II, today's Islamic terrorists and the Nazis are waiting. In Canada, Nazi leader Wolfgang Droege was born in Bavaria in 1949.
Droege's grandfather was close to several leading WWII Nazis. With the same twisted admiration the Russian leader Zhirinovsky had for Hitler, Wolfgang Droege has for George Lincoln Rockwell. Rockwell was gunned down - in Shirley MacLaine's old Arlington neighborhood - with a .30 broomhandle Mauser pistol.
Canada's most prominent racist party, the Nationalist Party of Canada, was led by Droege. After being a guest of Qaddafi, Droege returned to Canada and founded The Heritage Front: the
first public meeting was in 1991. Canadian broadcaster Keith Rutherford was badly assaulted by Albertan Nazis. To say skinheads are a small group is a cover-up, he reveals. Police officers, lawyers, doctors, and Canadian army officers are in Droege's Heritage Front, reveals Rutherford.
Scattered bands of would-be terrorists are now found across Canada. Brett Hayes of Calgary is violently against Jews. Should the Amero emerge and the borders come down, all these Islamically-funded bands of terrorists are poised for entry into the U.S.
Provost, Alberta, reveals the Jesus Christ Christian Aryan Nations with the Ku Klux Klan. In Vancouver is the Canadian Liberty Net Racist Hotline. The hate rock band Odin's Law is in Surrey, B.C. 95% of the Canadian Nazi youth movement is because of the music! Music is their best form of recruitment... In Toronto, the Nazi hate rock group RaHoWa found students very receptive to their ideas. RaHoWa stands for Racial Holy War. Since when did the Nazis get holy? Since Droege was a guest of Qadaffi. North Americans should be alarmed! We will
talk more about Jihad, the Islamic Holy War, later.
But the point I wanted to make so far is that the Islamic danger is growing, and Islam and the Nazis in North America are now united! Especially the neo-Nazis in Canada; Tom Metzger of the White Aryan Resistance has said of this ongoing funding to North American neo-Nazis, "We are becoming increasingly alarmed at the inroads the Libyans are making among legitimate nationalist groups. ("Nationalist groups" meaning the neo-Nazis.) Kadhafi has pretty much taken over one wing of the National Front in Great Britain. " Metzger emphasizes, "The Kadhafi thing is getting out of hand." Yet, Kadhafi was made head of the UN Human Rights
Commission! And you want the UN flag flying over Iowa?
But let's see what the Islamists themselves are doing. The present Islamic leaders in Tehran, Khartoum and Damascus, are convinced that they must prevent, virtually at all cost, the
emergence of a post-Cold War world order in which the United States is the sole super-power. Highly professional, skilled terrorist cells and networks are already in place in the United States and Canada. We can expect to see terrorism unleashed throughout the West. Egyptian intelligence views the New York
Islamist network as part of "an eclectic and international plot" under the centralized control of sponsoring states and involving, among others, Iranians, Iraqis, and funding from the Muslim Brotherhood organization in Germany. The components of Islamist terrorist system with its networks in America now await orders from Tehran to launch their operations..."
"Specifically, Mr. Erbakan pushed for Turkey to quit the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, TO ESTABLISH A RIVAL ISLAMIC VERSION OF NATO, COMPRISING FUNDAMENTALIST NATIONS AROUND THE WORLD, TO BREAK ALL LINKS TO THE EUROPEAN UNION and to create a new Turkish society based on Islamic teachings. For Mr. Erbakan and many
of his followers, and for many extremists in Iran, Sudan, Algeria and elsewhere, the West - especially the United States - is the
decadent epitome of anti-Islamic values..."
In Canada, on the Mosaic channel on cable, on Sunday mornings and afternoons at 12 noon every Sunday, we get Reflections On Islam! It is very, very deceptive, because as Islam says the Koran is a continuation of the Bible, Islamic TV programs such as this lead one to believe that Islam is very close to our beliefs. By not telling the full story about Islam, Islamic rel-
igious programs in Canada - ON SUNDAY MORNING NONETHELESS, THOUGH THEIR "HOLY DAY" IS FRIDAY - grows in public acceptance....
How many times have we overheard an uninformed Christian say, "Well, we all worship the same God. The peoples of the world worship the same God, but just in different ways. The Islamic people worship the same God as we do, but in
different ways." But I have news for you! Christians and Islam do not worship the same God!
As Christians, we respond to Islamists as we would to atheists and evolutionists. We set the Gospel of Jesus against the Koran to contrast our world view to theirs. In the Islamist doctrine of fate, Allah has determined all things in advance and there is no free will. Larry King asked Billy Graham if he believed in
free will and Dr. Graham replied, "I believe in total free will." Other Bible scholars believe in limited free will. But in the Islamist doctrine of fate, there is no free will. And, very importantly, Jihad must be observed, the practice of Holy War. And because of what Allah has already revealed through Moses, David and Jesus, the Koran is alleged to be a confirmation and continuation of what is found in Biblical revelation. Islamists believe the Koran is from Allah and there are NO CONTRADICTIONS - this is important, now - Islamists believe the Koran
is from Allah and there are NO CONTRADICTIONS, including within itself as a continuation of what Allah revealed through the Bible. In Deuteronomy 18, Moses tells us the test for any new prophet. The Bible tells us to look for contradictions of what has been said earlier, because God does not contradict Himself.
Glaringly, look at the contradictions within the Koran itself!
Sura 28: Pharoah's wife adopted Moses
Bible: Pharoah's daughter adopted Moses
Sura 26: Jews were a very scanty people
Exodus 1:7-10: Jews were a great multitude
Sura 2: Koran says after Jews made exodus from Egypt, they returned to Egypt
Bible: After exodus, Jews did not return to Egypt
Sura 21: All of Noah's family saved from the Flood
Sura 11: Allusion to Noah's son drowning in Flood
(The Koran is not supposed to contradict itself or previous Bible revelation)
Sura 3: Zacharia's speechless 3 days
Luke 1: Zacharia's speechless 9 months
Sura 19, v28: Mary, the mother of Jesus, described as the sister of Aaron; described as Miriam, Moses' sister.
In the Koran, Jesus is not the divine son of God and the Trinity is to be rejected. Also, according to the Koran, Jesus was not crucified but at the last minute Judas was substituted for Him. The Koran contradicts the very heart of the Gospel! Do you understand? In the Koran, Jesus was not crucified but at the last minute Judas was substituted for Him. The Koran contradicts the very heart of the Gospel!
Sura 4: God is but one God, far be it from Him He should have a son....
In John 14, 15 and 16 Jesus promises one will come who is called the Comforter. The Koran interprets the Comforter as the coming of Mohammed! Despite the fact in John 14:26 that
Jesus tells us who the Comforter is, "But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit." The Comforter is not Mohammed! The Comforter is the Holy Spirit! Also, to the Islamist, heaven is a carnal place of sensuous delight and gratification! This is tragically motivational for Islamic terrorists to become martyrs. This
carnal self-gratification, not selflessness, is why they are often in a hurry to get themselves killed.
The Revolutionary Command Council - of which Kadhafi is a member - enacted laws permitting punishments based on the teachings of the Koran. Or should I say, on the teachings of the contradictions of the Koran. These range from amputation of limbs to death by stoning!
Mohammed opposed the polytheistic commercial culture of his time. This spirit of Islam rages today! The repressive, authoritarian theocracy of Islam waits in silence, in a state-con-
trolled plan to oppose - with terrorism - the polytheistic commercial culture found in today's New Age Hinduization of the West.
Yossef Bodansky emphasizes that, in the eyes of the Islamists, the American way of life and the freedoms we most prize and cherish - the personal rights and freedoms of the individual,
the pursuit of private happiness and betterment, the separation of church and state - make the United States their chief enemy. Because our way of life stands in such stark contradiction to
the repressive, constricted, authoritarian theocracy the Islamists demand for their own people, the very existence of American
values is, for the Islamists, a deadly threat.
In addition to Khadhafi-funded left-wing and right-wing terrorist groups in North America, the Omaha World-Herald reported, "Worried American officials believe, for example, that Libya is building the world's largest chemical weapons factory inside a mountain at Tarhunah,
south of Tripoli." In April, 2003, Khadhafi became the head of the UN Human Rights Commission! One of the world's greatest terrorists in charge of human rights! This is like putting Hitler in charge of Israel!
Lolly, if I didn't know better, I would think you are fronting for Rahm Emanuel's plan to bring over 2 million Muslims to America, at taxpayer expense, to import them from Israel. This is definitely not a good plan: It would take many years, if ever, for these Muslims to assimilate. Meanwhile, they will continue their quest for world domination for Allah....
Anything you further read and present to the contrary of this post, which I gave at a national conference, I can ssure you is published misinformation or, worse still and more than likely, hardcore disinformation. The NWO "common ground" propaganda, of Christianity and Islam, is false.
TO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND? (Smile)
Here is a documented excerpt from a lecture I gave at a national conference:
One day, I was talking with the President of an oil company who told me this true story: There was a young Islamic couple he knew in Florida and the husband grew quite sick. He went to a hospital in Florida and while there the Lord touched him and healed him. With severe joy, he and his wife converted to Christianity. They soon had a baby and gave him a very Christian
name. They were then called to move to Israel and moved to the Gaza strip.
One day, while walking down a street in Gaza, they met an Islamic religious leader. He stopped them and asked them the following questions: "Is this your baby?" "Yes," replied the happy parents, looking down at their little one. "And where was he born?" "In the United States," they replied. "In Florida." "And what is his name?" he asked, staring down at the little one. The head Islamic religious leader picked up the baby, dashed him down onto the street as hard as he could, immediately crushing
the baby's skull and killing the baby. In the Islamic community, there is no place for a baby, born in the West with a Christian name, with Christian parents.
The Washington Times quoted Louis Farrakhan who proclaimed, "You can quote me: God will destroy America at the hands of the Muslims." Farrakhan praises Iran as a model of democracy and declares, "Iran is now in the vanguard of the Islamic revolution sweeping the earth." Farrakhan confirmed that he accepted a $1 billion dollar pledge from the Libyan dictator Muamma Kadhafi for Nation of Islam activities in the United States. Since 1969, Kadhafi has channeled an estimated $100 million dollars EVERY
YEAR to extremist and terrorist groups, including the American-based Nation of Islam, the militant American Indian Movement, and
the white supremacist Nationalist Party of Canada.
Yossef Bodansky, Director of the Republican Task Force on Terrorism & Unconventional Warfare of the U.S. Congress, reveals, "Not a single irregular armed movement can survive, let alone
operate, but for supporting states. The crucial significance of expertise and funds that only states can provide ultimately transforms any terrorist movement, irrespective of its original
ideological characterization, into a state-controlled entity." Without the technical and professional expertise provided by the controlling Islamic states, these scattered bands of would-be terrorists could not express their rage in the heart of the world's most advanced countries.
Importantly, as if the Islamic terrorist threat in itself weren't enough in the United States and Canada, Islam and the Nazis have now united! Yes, as with Hitler's Nazi and Arab ties in World War II, today's Islamic terrorists and the Nazis are waiting. In Canada, Nazi leader Wolfgang Droege was born in Bavaria in 1949.
Droege's grandfather was close to several leading WWII Nazis. With the same twisted admiration the Russian leader Zhirinovsky had for Hitler, Wolfgang Droege has for George Lincoln Rockwell. Rockwell was gunned down - in Shirley MacLaine's old Arlington neighborhood - with a .30 broomhandle Mauser pistol.
Canada's most prominent racist party, the Nationalist Party of Canada, was led by Droege. After being a guest of Qaddafi, Droege returned to Canada and founded The Heritage Front: the
first public meeting was in 1991. Canadian broadcaster Keith Rutherford was badly assaulted by Albertan Nazis. To say skinheads are a small group is a cover-up, he reveals. Police officers, lawyers, doctors, and Canadian army officers are in Droege's Heritage Front, reveals Rutherford.
Scattered bands of would-be terrorists are now found across Canada. Brett Hayes of Calgary is violently against Jews. Should the Amero emerge and the borders come down, all these Islamically-funded bands of terrorists are poised for entry into the U.S.
Provost, Alberta, reveals the Jesus Christ Christian Aryan Nations with the Ku Klux Klan. In Vancouver is the Canadian Liberty Net Racist Hotline. The hate rock band Odin's Law is in Surrey, B.C. 95% of the Canadian Nazi youth movement is because of the music! Music is their best form of recruitment... In Toronto, the Nazi hate rock group RaHoWa found students very receptive to their ideas. RaHoWa stands for Racial Holy War. Since when did the Nazis get holy? Since Droege was a guest of Qadaffi. North Americans should be alarmed! We will
talk more about Jihad, the Islamic Holy War, later.
But the point I wanted to make so far is that the Islamic danger is growing, and Islam and the Nazis in North America are now united! Especially the neo-Nazis in Canada; Tom Metzger of the White Aryan Resistance has said of this ongoing funding to North American neo-Nazis, "We are becoming increasingly alarmed at the inroads the Libyans are making among legitimate nationalist groups. ("Nationalist groups" meaning the neo-Nazis.) Kadhafi has pretty much taken over one wing of the National Front in Great Britain. " Metzger emphasizes, "The Kadhafi thing is getting out of hand." Yet, Kadhafi was made head of the UN Human Rights
Commission! And you want the UN flag flying over Iowa?
But let's see what the Islamists themselves are doing. The present Islamic leaders in Tehran, Khartoum and Damascus, are convinced that they must prevent, virtually at all cost, the
emergence of a post-Cold War world order in which the United States is the sole super-power. Highly professional, skilled terrorist cells and networks are already in place in the United States and Canada. We can expect to see terrorism unleashed throughout the West. Egyptian intelligence views the New York
Islamist network as part of "an eclectic and international plot" under the centralized control of sponsoring states and involving, among others, Iranians, Iraqis, and funding from the Muslim Brotherhood organization in Germany. The components of Islamist terrorist system with its networks in America now await orders from Tehran to launch their operations..."
"Specifically, Mr. Erbakan pushed for Turkey to quit the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, TO ESTABLISH A RIVAL ISLAMIC VERSION OF NATO, COMPRISING FUNDAMENTALIST NATIONS AROUND THE WORLD, TO BREAK ALL LINKS TO THE EUROPEAN UNION and to create a new Turkish society based on Islamic teachings. For Mr. Erbakan and many
of his followers, and for many extremists in Iran, Sudan, Algeria and elsewhere, the West - especially the United States - is the
decadent epitome of anti-Islamic values..."
In Canada, on the Mosaic channel on cable, on Sunday mornings and afternoons at 12 noon every Sunday, we get Reflections On Islam! It is very, very deceptive, because as Islam says the Koran is a continuation of the Bible, Islamic TV programs such as this lead one to believe that Islam is very close to our beliefs. By not telling the full story about Islam, Islamic rel-
igious programs in Canada - ON SUNDAY MORNING NONETHELESS, THOUGH THEIR "HOLY DAY" IS FRIDAY - grows in public acceptance....
How many times have we overheard an uninformed Christian say, "Well, we all worship the same God. The peoples of the world worship the same God, but just in different ways. The Islamic people worship the same God as we do, but in
different ways." But I have news for you! Christians and Islam do not worship the same God!
As Christians, we respond to Islamists as we would to atheists and evolutionists. We set the Gospel of Jesus against the Koran to contrast our world view to theirs. In the Islamist doctrine of fate, Allah has determined all things in advance and there is no free will. Larry King asked Billy Graham if he believed in
free will and Dr. Graham replied, "I believe in total free will." Other Bible scholars believe in limited free will. But in the Islamist doctrine of fate, there is no free will. And, very importantly, Jihad must be observed, the practice of Holy War. And because of what Allah has already revealed through Moses, David and Jesus, the Koran is alleged to be a confirmation and continuation of what is found in Biblical revelation. Islamists believe the Koran is from Allah and there are NO CONTRADICTIONS - this is important, now - Islamists believe the Koran
is from Allah and there are NO CONTRADICTIONS, including within itself as a continuation of what Allah revealed through the Bible. In Deuteronomy 18, Moses tells us the test for any new prophet. The Bible tells us to look for contradictions of what has been said earlier, because God does not contradict Himself.
Glaringly, look at the contradictions within the Koran itself!
Sura 28: Pharoah's wife adopted Moses
Bible: Pharoah's daughter adopted Moses
Sura 26: Jews were a very scanty people
Exodus 1:7-10: Jews were a great multitude
Sura 2: Koran says after Jews made exodus from Egypt, they returned to Egypt
Bible: After exodus, Jews did not return to Egypt
Sura 21: All of Noah's family saved from the Flood
Sura 11: Allusion to Noah's son drowning in Flood
(The Koran is not supposed to contradict itself or previous Bible revelation)
Sura 3: Zacharia's speechless 3 days
Luke 1: Zacharia's speechless 9 months
Sura 19, v28: Mary, the mother of Jesus, described as the sister of Aaron; described as Miriam, Moses' sister.
In the Koran, Jesus is not the divine son of God and the Trinity is to be rejected. Also, according to the Koran, Jesus was not crucified but at the last minute Judas was substituted for Him. The Koran contradicts the very heart of the Gospel! Do you understand? In the Koran, Jesus was not crucified but at the last minute Judas was substituted for Him. The Koran contradicts the very heart of the Gospel!
Sura 4: God is but one God, far be it from Him He should have a son....
In John 14, 15 and 16 Jesus promises one will come who is called the Comforter. The Koran interprets the Comforter as the coming of Mohammed! Despite the fact in John 14:26 that
Jesus tells us who the Comforter is, "But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit." The Comforter is not Mohammed! The Comforter is the Holy Spirit! Also, to the Islamist, heaven is a carnal place of sensuous delight and gratification! This is tragically motivational for Islamic terrorists to become martyrs. This
carnal self-gratification, not selflessness, is why they are often in a hurry to get themselves killed.
The Revolutionary Command Council - of which Kadhafi is a member - enacted laws permitting punishments based on the teachings of the Koran. Or should I say, on the teachings of the contradictions of the Koran. These range from amputation of limbs to death by stoning!
Mohammed opposed the polytheistic commercial culture of his time. This spirit of Islam rages today! The repressive, authoritarian theocracy of Islam waits in silence, in a state-con-
trolled plan to oppose - with terrorism - the polytheistic commercial culture found in today's New Age Hinduization of the West.
Yossef Bodansky emphasizes that, in the eyes of the Islamists, the American way of life and the freedoms we most prize and cherish - the personal rights and freedoms of the individual,
the pursuit of private happiness and betterment, the separation of church and state - make the United States their chief enemy. Because our way of life stands in such stark contradiction to
the repressive, constricted, authoritarian theocracy the Islamists demand for their own people, the very existence of American
values is, for the Islamists, a deadly threat.
In addition to Khadhafi-funded left-wing and right-wing terrorist groups in North America, the Omaha World-Herald reported, "Worried American officials believe, for example, that Libya is building the world's largest chemical weapons factory inside a mountain at Tarhunah,
south of Tripoli." In April, 2003, Khadhafi became the head of the UN Human Rights Commission! One of the world's greatest terrorists in charge of human rights! This is like putting Hitler in charge of Israel!
Lolly, if I didn't know better, I would think you are fronting for Rahm Emanuel's plan to bring over 2 million Muslims to America, at taxpayer expense, to import them from Israel. This is definitely not a good plan: It would take many years, if ever, for these Muslims to assimilate. Meanwhile, they will continue their quest for world domination for Allah....
Anything you further read and present to the contrary of this post, which I gave at a national conference, I can ssure you is published misinformation or, worse still and more than likely, hardcore disinformation. The NWO "common ground" propaganda, of Christianity and Islam, is false.
posted by: Steve Volk on Thu, 11/12 12:12 PM EST
Steve, sorry, but I do not believe the story of the PRESIDENT OF AN OIL COMPANY(probbly New World Order). Christians are not allowed to move permanently to Israel or it's territories, and Israel does not allow the right of return for Palestinians. So this story has to be bogus. My uncle, a Christian, was witnessing to a Jewish Israeli in Israel and the Jew said, "This is very interesting. Let me get my friend so he can hear too. The Jew returned with the POLICE! It is illegal to teach the Gospel in Israel publicly! My Uncle was arrested, his money belt with $1000 stolen by police, and he was DEPORTED! Steve, most of the groups you mentioned, even if distasteful, are against the New World Order. You fear too much. (2 Tim 1:7) "For God has not given us the SPIRIT OF FEAR, but of power of LOVE,.....". You are allowing the NWO to divide and conquer. The NWO neo-cons want you to fear these anti-NWO groups so the NWO can win. I am not afraid of these groups even if they are full-of-it. Most Muslims are against the NWO. The Masons have invaded the Muslim countries, and that is a problem.
Re: Koran Contradictions. When I was younger, I read a book my father had about the "supposed" contradictions in the Bible. 1. About Moses in chapter/sura 28 of the Koran, I quote, approx. verse 7 to 12, "And we(God) said by revelation to the mother of Moses, 'Give him suck; and if you fear for him, launch him on the sea; and fear not, neither fret; for we shall restore him to you,....And Pharoah's wife said , Joy of the eye to me AND THEE!(Pharoah's daughter?)put him not to death; happily he will be useful to US, or WE may adopt him as a son.' But THEY knew not what THEY did.......She (Moses's mother)said to his sister,'Follow him'. And she watched him from afar; and THEY perceived it not. And we caused him to refuse the nurses, until his sister came and said, Shall I point out to you the family of the house that will rear him for you, and will be careful of him? So we restored him to his mother, to be the joy of her eyes, and that she might not fret, and that she might know that the promise of God was true. But most men knew it not." 2.Chap./ Sura 26,approx. verses 53-54. "And PHAROAH sent summoners thru the cities;-"These Israelites, SAID THEY, are a scanty band;......but we(PHAROAH'S PEOPLE) are numerous,....". This is Pharoah's propaganda!3. Sura 2:58 Note in back of Koran says, "This passage is one of the numerous anachronisms which abound in the Koran and prove the gross ignorance of the Arabian prophet. (an anachronism is when something is placed out of its proper historical time or place.) One point for Steve. 4. Sura 11;40-50 This is supposed to be possibly a reference or allusion to the son of ham, Canaan who found Noah passed out and naked, and instead of covering him, gossiped. Genesis 9:20-25 5. Luke 1:20 It does not say how long the father of John the baptist was speechless. So it could be Elizabeth conceived on the 3rd day and then he could speak again. Thus no contradiction. 6. Sura 19 The back note says, "The anachronism is only apparent. Muhammed might have supposed that this aaron was the son of Imran and Anna. Or if aaron the brother of Moses, be meant, Mary may be called his sister, either because she was of the Levitical race, or by way of comparison."
Re: Jesus, the Son of God. John 3;16 , says as you well know, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son (to die on the cross for our sins), that WHOSOEVER believes in him (Jesus), should not perish, but have everlasting life." No matter how messed up the Muslims are, any of them that believe in Jesus and are righteous shall not perish according to the above Scripture. The only sin that is not forgiven if you believe in Jesus, is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. God GAVE his only begotten son. Jesus the son, DIED on the cross. These are acts that were done, so that those who BELIEVE in JESUS can be saved!!!! You are right, there are Muslims that are messed up in that they believe it was Judas on the cross instead of Jesus. The fact is, it was Jesus who died on the cross! But misunderstanding of this is a forgivable sin cause Jesus died on the cross FOR ALL SINS!!!!!!!However, one is required to BELIEVE in Jesus as the Messiah(Christ). Which the Muslims do. The Hebrews (Jews) believed the Messiah was coming. The Christians believe the Messiah (Jesus) came already. The Muslims believe that Jesus the Messiah is coming back one day in the future to save them and become their Messiah. Because the Arabs are like a lost civilization, the standard American or Western dictionary under "messiah" does not even have a definition for "messiah" for the Muslims. The dictionary only has a definition , one each for the Jews, and then for the Christians. Now the Jews of Judaism, today , do not accept Jesus as their Messiah, but still they made it into the dictionary under "messiah"!!!!!!!! The Muslims do not deny that Jesus is the Messiah. The Jews of Judaism do deny that Jesus is the Messiah. However, many Christians still support the Jews of Judaism. The Muslims are actually one step ahead of the Jews of Judaism, because, they already accept Jesus as the Messiah in the Koran.
WELL HELLO, LOLLY,
THIS IS LOUIS, LOLLY...
The oil president was a good friend of mine. He purchased Rockefeller's lease off the Netanya coast. He knew the couple personally. I personally know a Jewish couple who are Christians who have a beautiful home 500 meters inside the Gaza strip. And I know of other Messianic Jewish believers - one whose father in the UK discovered a well-known opera singer - who said the govt has no real authority to know who are Jewish Christians and who are not, so they usually keep things quiet for their hospital benefits, etc.
The bottom line, Lolly, is you don't believe my story about the Oil President, Lyle Haron, so I won't believe your stories, either. Sorry....
FINALLY, IN THE KORAN, THE JEWS DO NOT ACCEPT JESUS AS THE SON OF GOD AND MOHAMMED IS A "GREATER PROPHET" THAN JESUS. LOLLY, GIVE ME YOUR KORAN REFERENCES. Until then, know the aggressive "common ground" propaganda for Muslims and Christians is a NWO strategy, as mentioned above....
THIS IS LOUIS, LOLLY...
The oil president was a good friend of mine. He purchased Rockefeller's lease off the Netanya coast. He knew the couple personally. I personally know a Jewish couple who are Christians who have a beautiful home 500 meters inside the Gaza strip. And I know of other Messianic Jewish believers - one whose father in the UK discovered a well-known opera singer - who said the govt has no real authority to know who are Jewish Christians and who are not, so they usually keep things quiet for their hospital benefits, etc.
The bottom line, Lolly, is you don't believe my story about the Oil President, Lyle Haron, so I won't believe your stories, either. Sorry....
FINALLY, IN THE KORAN, THE JEWS DO NOT ACCEPT JESUS AS THE SON OF GOD AND MOHAMMED IS A "GREATER PROPHET" THAN JESUS. LOLLY, GIVE ME YOUR KORAN REFERENCES. Until then, know the aggressive "common ground" propaganda for Muslims and Christians is a NWO strategy, as mentioned above....
posted by: Steve Volk on Fri, 11/13 11:11 AM EST
Steve, the Koran, I quoted from is the Everyman version. It is entitled, The Koran. It was translated from Arabic by J.M. Rodwell. Foreward and introduction are by Alan Jones, The Oriental Institute, Oxford. EVERYMAN, J.M. Dent-London, Charles E. Tuttle, Vermont. Published 1994. First published in 1909. Orion Publishing Company, J.M.Dent, Orion House, 5 Upper St. Martin's Lane, London WC2H 9EA. Note on the Editor: Alan Jones is a Fellow of Pembroke College, Oxford. After studying classics, Arabic, and Persian at Cambridge, he moved to Oxford to study Turkish. He has taught Arabic and Islamic Studies there since 1957. He is a specialist in pre-Islamic and early Islamic Arabic and in Quranic Studies, and at a much later period, in the literature of Muslim Spain. He wrote a book on pre-Islamic background of the Quran." Re: Rockefellers, they are known to be the main family proponents for the New World Order!
THE EVER ALTRUISTIC LOLLY...
Why do you think former Muslims who are now Christian believers, evangelize Muslims to experience the Bible, the Word of God; instead of the Koran? Why don't former Muslims now Christian types keep reading the Koran? Because they have been converted to the Truth...
Yes, of course, Rockefeller is a globalist and your Mexican neighbors are the result of the deal he cut with Vincente Fox. But Lyle Haron, president of NOEL (Netanya Oil Exploration Ltd) was not a globalist, he simply purchased a lease from them. Let's think of a good analogy: If Kissinger sold you a spare tire would that turn you into a globalist?
Lolly, now you're the globalist. Everything I say is "guilty till proven innocent," or rather, "guilty till proven more guilty." False! But I do sympathize with you: I know the way we'd all like to see the world; and I also know the way the world is. My days of being an armchair idealist somehow slipped by...
In Christ Church in the Old CIty you'll find the answer. Christian believers who are Jews, Arabs, and gentiles worship there together (they do not read the Koran). God in His faithfulness left a visible model; but everyone ignores it. Meanwhile, when you see the false ecumenism of liberal Christians, liberal Jews, and Moslems in uniting happily in Jerusalem (it sounds like you'll be one of them?) it's time to run for safety... Daniel knew all about it....
Why do you think former Muslims who are now Christian believers, evangelize Muslims to experience the Bible, the Word of God; instead of the Koran? Why don't former Muslims now Christian types keep reading the Koran? Because they have been converted to the Truth...
Yes, of course, Rockefeller is a globalist and your Mexican neighbors are the result of the deal he cut with Vincente Fox. But Lyle Haron, president of NOEL (Netanya Oil Exploration Ltd) was not a globalist, he simply purchased a lease from them. Let's think of a good analogy: If Kissinger sold you a spare tire would that turn you into a globalist?
Lolly, now you're the globalist. Everything I say is "guilty till proven innocent," or rather, "guilty till proven more guilty." False! But I do sympathize with you: I know the way we'd all like to see the world; and I also know the way the world is. My days of being an armchair idealist somehow slipped by...
In Christ Church in the Old CIty you'll find the answer. Christian believers who are Jews, Arabs, and gentiles worship there together (they do not read the Koran). God in His faithfulness left a visible model; but everyone ignores it. Meanwhile, when you see the false ecumenism of liberal Christians, liberal Jews, and Moslems in uniting happily in Jerusalem (it sounds like you'll be one of them?) it's time to run for safety... Daniel knew all about it....
posted by: Steve Volk on Fri, 11/13 09:21 PM EST
Steve, many Arabs/Muslims have biblical names. For example Yussef is Joseph, Ishmael is Ismail, Ibrahim is Abraham, Nuh is Noah, Lut is Lot, Yaqub is jacob, Musa is Moses, Harun is Aaron, Dawud is David, Suliman is Solomon,, Yahya is John, Yunus is Jonah. Muslims have books with stories about the above prophets, and in the Muslim books, they are called "Prophets of Allah". If the Muslims are believing in another god, why are they calling the prophets of the Bible, prophets of Allah?
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